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Bger or anyone else who plays HD in the SCA...

Postby amyamanda » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:04 pm

We are "occasional SCAdians" who have a large number of friends who are very seriously involved. Our good friends will be King and Queen of the East in summer 2010. We will be at Pennsic with them (in the royal encampment) and possibly at other events, as well as at informal revels-type gatherings. I would love to have some SCA-appropriate repertoire worked out beforehand so that I can honor them with HD music without offending any muckety-mucks.

I have a 13/12 diatonic with steel strings. Nearly all of my repertoire so far is Irish session music (with a few Scottish tunes) and New England contradance music. So I doubt anything I have already learned is really appropriate, but maybe you can tell me how stringent or loose people's expectations have been in this area, in your experience.

I read music well, but not at the same time as playing. I can also learn by ear. I would greatly appreciate any sort of "perioid HD in a nutshell" advice you can give me.

Their Majesties' chosen period is 1503 Scotland. Repertoire recommendations will be gladly accepted. (Or maybe you can connect me with other bards who might be helpful.) Thanks in advance.

(If anyone who is reading this doesn't understand what I'm talking about, and that is likely to be most of you, you won't know how to respond - and that is fine. :lol: )
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Postby amyamanda » Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:06 pm

Or if anyone knows how to get in touch with Bger, that would also be greatly helpful. Thanks.
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Postby cboody » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:53 am

Some of the SCA groups have tune books, you might check on some of the SCA sites. You're not liable to find anything directly related to Scotland c.1503 though. If you have a big music library around try to find "Musica Britanica" (sp?) which is a scholarly collection of early music from the isles...
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Re: Bger or anyone else who plays HD in the SCA...

Postby Bger » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:56 pm

"Period accuracy" is a diffiult issue. Some bicker more than others. I am a Caidan (los angeles), moved to StLouis last year. I have to say I am very disappointed with SCA folk in this area in general, musicians especially. In addition to being rather cold and unwelcoming, I have found the general populace and musicians in particular to be "period Nazis". If it's not exactly off of some old manuscript (or their INTERPRETATION of it), they don't want to hear it. Even though many of my compositions fit right in with music of the 15-1600's, because many of them are orignal, they are not valid somehow. Also, the "official" dates for the SCA are 600ad to 1650ad... But 'round these parts, if it's not Charlemange-era British Isles/Central-Western Europe, it will be scoffed at. Improvise with some counterpoint or different harmonies? Forget it. They pepper me with questions and harp on "lack of documentation" for my work and for the HD in general, despite it being a well-known period instrument. Oh, and GOD FORBID I pull out the Bouzouki and play something Turkish.... What happened to the C in SCA? Oh, well...

Make up a few tunes based on simple arpegiated chords, something in a natural minor key, or aeolian. You can't go far wrong there. Use both the major and minor 7ths to give the right feel at times (listen to Greensleeves) for interesting resolution. I don't know how folk are in the East or around Pensic. I say play it all, and if they don't like it, tough.
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Re: Bger or anyone else who plays HD in the SCA...

Postby Sarah » Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:42 pm

amyamanda wrote:
Their Majesties' chosen period is 1503 Scotland. Repertoire recommendations will be gladly accepted. (Or maybe you can connect me with other bards who might be helpful.)


Maynard Johnson (I think I remembered the last name correctly) of the Kitchen Musician website knows a LOT about historical tunes of England, Scotland, etc. You could probably contact him through the website
http://www.kitchenmusician.net/
or post a message on the hammered dulcimers email list. He's very active on that list and I bet he'd respond to an inquiry about Scottish tunes from a specific time period.
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Postby Bger » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:29 pm

Aye, it's hard to improve on the kitchensink site. Though it takes some sifting, it is a great place to start.
There is also an outstanding thesis by David Kettlewell:
http://dulcimer.new-renaissance.com/0-bits/start.htm
While it does not cover tunes or playing style, it is a wonderful collection of period examples of construction. It gives a sense of "the flavor of the dust of the place" for the world the HD was living in at that time. Too much to take in at once, it is a constant source of information and inspiration.
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Re: Bger or anyone else who plays HD in the SCA...

Postby folkfan » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:46 pm

Madrigals were a popular form of music of the time. At our local Renn Faire they had a pretty strict policy on what could be done by way of appropriate music. Madrigals were sung all over the place.

Here's some info on time period appropriate music.

http://www.humanitiesweb.org/human.php?s=c&p=i&a=l&ID=2


One problem with songs is that though the tune itself may be ancient, the words may be more modern. The words maybe what people will remember, and not remember that the tune goes farther back. So you'd have people thinking, why are they playing a song about Bonnie Prince Charlie and therefore the wrong time period, but you may actually be playing a more ancient air.

Eileen Aroon is one of those. I remember reading that the tune used was probably one of the oldest known in the British Isles, but the words are from a 17th Century poet.

Added by Edith: You might want to look at Carrie Crompton's books on solos for the HD. They contain several older tunes.

I've been looking through somethings I have and would suggest perhaps that "The Castle of Dromore" might be a possibility. The air for that is said to go back to the 8th Century. "Nonesuch" is
from Medieval times. "Hal-An-Tow" is a very old ritual song. "The Padstow May Song" is another one of these ritual songs of the British Isles. It's so old that it's origins are unknown.

Also 1503 was the period of James IV of Scotland who married Margaret Tudor (Henry VII's daughter) in 1502 so perhaps there might be information on the music you are looking for in this section of a book on old music of England. Margaret as an English woman would have had some influence on the music that was being played around her. And her brother, Henry VIII was credited with the composition of "Greensleeves".

http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/popul ... 200148.htm

Hope this helps. Just keep hitting next at the top of the page to move to the next one.
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Re: Bger or anyone else who plays HD in the SCA...

Postby Heidi » Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:04 pm

I'm not sure if this qualifies for SCA but I have a book published by Mel Bay that may be what you're looking for. "Cantiga's Renaissance Festival Favorites For ALL Instruments with Guitar Chords" by Bob Bielefeld.

Breakdown of the intro into sound bites: songs of earlier times - finding popularity w/ Ren. Fests, Medieval Faires, Shakespearian productions & similar venues. - Learned from fellow Ren. musicians, recordings, archives, blah blah.

www.cantigamusic.com www.melbay.com

It is available with a very nice perforamance CD included with the spiral bound music book.
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